[funsec] Canadian revolution

Drsolly drsollyp at drsolly.com
Wed Oct 25 11:56:02 CDT 2006

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 10/25/06, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:18:30 CDT, Brian Loe said:
> >
> > > congregations that do a LOT of good around the world. How you can
> > > compare modern Christian religions to the wackos in the middle east is
> > > beyond me..
> >
> > I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that if anything, a greater percentage
> > of Christians in North America are further around the bend than the Muslims
> > in the middle east.  Where did "Intelligent Design in schools" and "defense
> > of marriage" stuff come from?
> Yes, and the Christians in the Dover case drove car bombs into the
> school... Gay marriages have been bombed out by Christians concealing
> bomb vests.

Not in those cases. But they did in these:


And that's not the only murder associated with abortion clinics.

> > And at least the middle east wackos have an excuse - they don't have a
> > constitution that codifies tolerance and equality.  We, however, are
> > actively trying to backslide on those concepts....
> So their excuse is that they're 2000 years behind the rest of the world?
> It was mostly religious people who created and supported our
> Constitution.

Actually, it was mostly atheists, although in those days (just as now) it 
was hard for a politician to admit that he didn't have an imaginary 

> The reason they put so much emphasis on FREEDOM of
> religion is because they had just broken away from England where there
> wasn't any,

You're meaning 1776. Actually, at that time in England, we only had one
restriction on freedom of religion, and that was on the religion of the
king. Everyone else could be whatever they liked, and that was true since
(mostly) Cromwell and (entirely) the Bill of Rights, 1689.

> and the people had a tendency to kill you based on your
> religion.

No, we worked out that this wsn't a good idea in the 1600s.

> The religious folk who came here simply wanted to be left
> alone to do their thing - and they've done so, for the most part,
> since.
No, they went to America because people in England wouldn't go along with
their intolerance of other religions. This is back in the early 1600s,
before the Civil War, Cromwell, the Bill of Rights, and before the
realisation that religious freedom was a good idea.

The Puritans, as you would guess fom their name, wanted to "purify" the 
English Church. But the church didn't want to be "purified" in the way 
these guys wanted. So, some of the puritans (the Separatists) bogged off 
to Holland, and then to America, where they wrote the history and 
schoolbooks that you were educated with.

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