[funsec] What Happened to The 56 Men Who Signed
Wayne J. Hauber
wjhauber at iastate.edu
Mon Jul 9 16:27:54 CDT 2007
At 03:02 PM 7/9/2007, Stephen P. Villano wrote:
>It may sound cruel, but frankly I would rather that your ancestors DID
>participate. It would give a personal, visceral feeling to the errors long
>However, remember this: YOU were not responsible. Those in the past were,
>though they felt what the did was the right thing to do, history has proven
>As such, one would expect that one would go on with life, try to make things
>a little better for those living in current times and those to come. Pass on
>the painful lesson to one's offspring with the same message and wishes.
>On my mother's side of the family, I've learned that she was descended from
>the Reynolds family. While there is a lot of family history to go along with
>this, suffice it to say that her mother's honorable consideration to her
>husband's offspring put her out from that family. Said family was well off
>due, in large part to slave labor on their plantations. I've passed that
>along to my two daughters, along with the lessons hard learned from history
>and my wishes. I'm certain that out of two, at least one, and most likely
>both will pass that hard learned lesson along to my grandchildren (whenever
>they may be born.)
I may know more once my genealogy search gets underway.
After I made my post, I realized that the folks in Swabia had a long
history of enslaving their neighbors. I suppose that this made the
enslavement of Jews during WWII (just 20 years after the end of
Swabia children) something that was culturally acceptable.
Friedrichshafen had a slave labor camp...
This is sure a sharp contrast with the enlightened laws in England.
Cheap labor and the profits to be made with cheap labor are a
constant issue in society. African slaves in the US, Swiss slaves in
Swabia/Germany, dirt cheap labor in China and Mexico today are just a
few examples. If money is to be made by abusing someone else, then
economic pressure will make that abuse commonplace...
>Along with the lesson that *ALL* guns are loaded, no matter *HOW* unloaded
>the owner says the weapon is (a lesson drilled into them since they could
>understand my American, error, English...)
>With power comes responsibility. Whether it's the power perceived by
>weaponry or by the more important weapon: Knowledge. One wields one's weapon
>responsibly and only draws it with even more sacred responsibility.
>OK, after 26 hours of travel/flight time, it's time to hit the hay. Besides,
>as much as I'll hate myself for scheduling myself for work tomorrow, I have
>work tomorrow and some training...
>My spell checker decided I was incompetent to continue...
>WOW! I managed to do that LAST paragraph without a speeeling erorrrer!
>From: funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org] On
>Behalf Of Wayne J. Hauber
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:30 PM
>To: Brian Loe; Larry Seltzer
>Cc: funsec at linuxbox.org; Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu
>Subject: Re: [funsec] What Happened to The 56 Men Who Signed
>At 08:56 AM 7/9/2007, Brian Loe wrote:
> >On 7/9/07, Larry Seltzer <Larry at larryseltzer.com> wrote:
> >> > >>It was an act of parliament, long before your civil war.
> >> >
> >> > 1809 I think
> >>I guess I'm wrong on this. I was positive I had read 1809 at one
> >>point, but a little Googling indicates that the abolition act was
> >>passed in
> >>1833 and took effect in 1834.
> >Wow....less than 30 years earlier than the US - with a LOT more
> >experience in such matters. Guess Solly's adopted home isn't so
> >benevolent after all....
>A tidbit I learned during some geneology research...slavery in the Swabian
>region of Germany was formally abolished in 1921. Apparently, children of
>poor Swiss peasants were sold, marched across the Alps to work in Swabia...
>So, I hope that none of my ancestors was involved :-(
>See the wikipedia article:
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