[funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

Drsolly drsollyp at drsolly.com
Tue Jul 22 16:01:59 CDT 2008


No wonder you want the right to bear arms, in the USA. How else are you 
going to defend yourself from the family member who loses their temper and 
picks up a handy gun?

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Richard M. Smith wrote:

> The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
> 
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> 
> http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapo
> n/
> 
> In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder
> for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
> 
> In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in
> 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were
> carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
> 
> The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the '90s because we
> are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the largest prison
> population on the planet.
> 
> Richard
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> From: funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org] On
> Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
> To: Imri Goldberg; funsec at linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
> 
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> 
> Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor universal
> surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must be the
> solution, right?
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> What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman may
> be debarred the use of arms?
> 
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> 
> The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on the wall after
> the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing rights were
> fully codified.
> 
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> 
> And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the right,
> which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life, liberty and
> property, is the basis of all other rights.
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>   _____  
> 
> From: funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-bounces at linuxbox.org] On
> Behalf Of Imri Goldberg
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:15 AM
> To: funsec at linuxbox.org
> Subject: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
> 
> For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
> 
> "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
> it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with sharp
> points help save lives?"
> 
> I think it's even more funny when you consider the fact that it's in the UK.
> 
> Cheers
> Imri
> 
> (hat tip to Alisa
> <http://alisainwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%A8%
> D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%A8%
> D7%95%D7%A6%D7%94stop-the-world-i-want-to/>  for the link.)
> 



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