[funsec] Continued irony in the UK
David M Chess
chess at us.ibm.com
Tue Apr 7 09:41:34 CDT 2009
While I agree with you about the actual relative civil liberty severity of
Google Street View vs. LE video cameras, it's not particularly surprising
that the general public reaction is the other way around. With Google
Street View, if there's a picture of you arm-in-arm with your mistress or
whatever, it's right there, and everyone on earth can see and point and
laugh, and that's easy for the average person to imagine. The "someone in
the local constable's office might use this to stalk an ex-girlfriend" or
worse "an oppressive government might use this to keep track of dissidents
or political opponents" stuff, while entirely possible and dangerous if
you think about it, is the kind of thing where people's gut reaction is
that it sounds like a cheap paperback plot and doesn't really happen in
People's instincts (and I include myself, when I don't stop to think!) are
pretty bad on judging this sort of thing...
From: "Alex Eckelberry" <AlexE at sunbelt-software.com>
OTH, you're getting one shot with Google Maps, which may show you picking
your nose or something embarrassing, like throwing up outside a pub. Wow,
what an invasion of privacy. This is the same exposure that you'd get from
a tourist posting a travel pic on a blog or Flickr. And, Google will
respond and take out or blur something if it's offensive.
Compare that one picture to a continual series of video images, 24-hours a
day, 7 days a week, which certainly show quite a bit more. And they may
be viewed by LE, but now LE knows a lot about you that perhaps should be
And even though it's largely "innocuous" now, CCTV's on every corner open
the door to a lot of things that civil libertarians get quite worried
about. It's an enabling technology that has far more downside than
upside, IMHO, in terms of not only our privacy, but fundamental freedoms.
From: Remo Cornali [mailto:remo.cornali at alice.it]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:44 PM
To: Alex Eckelberry
Cc: funsec at linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] Continued irony in the UK
Alex Eckelberry ha scritto:
I just find it bizarre that they react to Street View with lynch-mob
mentality, but not to their serious privacy issues with CCTV's on every
I find it almost understandable. There is a big difference:
CCTV images go to law enforcement or premise owners; Street View goes to
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