[funsec] big brother at school

Joel Esler eslerj at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 16:55:55 CST 2010


And this is why I am not a lawyer I guess, cause I'm with Dan.  I can't
think of any defense the lawyer would have.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dan Kaminsky <dan at doxpara.com> wrote:

> "In loco parentis" tends to be pretty powerful, but you know what's
> even stronger?  Castle doctrine.  It wasn't just the kid that got
> violated, it wasn't even particularly the kid that got hit.  The
> school dropped a camera into the parent's home.
>
> "It's OK, I was just trying to secretly take pictures of your kid in
> his bedroom" isn't exactly the greatest defense the world has ever
> seen.
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Brown <optikali at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Just something to chew on: A number of court decisions (press me harder
> and
> > I can search for the titles) rule in favor of the administration of
> public
> > schools in cases that would have otherwise been seen a pure violation of
> a
> > student's rights. These cases often invoke an argument of In loco
> parentis
> > for the administration. Though in every case I have read the rulings
> > concerned actions taken on school grounds or within close proximity. This
> > case involves school property (the laptop), but occurs at the students
> home.
> > I am curious how this shakes out and what the court ruling (and
> inevitable
> > appeal ruling) will say.
> >
> > My 2 dinars  =)
> > -Ben
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon &
> > Hannah <rMslade at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Date sent:              Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0600
> >> From:                   RandallM <randallm at fidmail.com>
> >>
> >> > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/24789.htm
> >>
> >> "A federal class action claims a suburban school district has been
> spying
> >> on
> >> students and families through the "indiscriminant use of and ability to
> >> remotely
> >> activate the webcams incorporated into each laptop issued to students,"
> >> without
> >> the knowledge or consent of students or parents. The named plaintiffs
> say
> >> they
> >> learned that Big Brother was in their home when an assistant principal
> >> told their
> >> son that the school district knew he `was engaged in improper behavior
> in
> >> his
> >> home, and cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in
> minor
> >> plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district.'"
> >>
> >> Always possible that the allegations are wrong or overstated, but, on
> the
> >> face of it,
> >> sounds like this school district could be in very serious trouble ...
> >>
> >> (Cue comments about protecting children, and being willing to give up
> >> personal
> >> freedoms for a worthy cause, etc ... )
> >>
> >> ======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
> >> rslade at vcn.bc.ca     slade at victoria.tc.ca     rslade at computercrime.org
> >> What you ... call a poor signal-to-noise ratio is the 'glue' that
> >> holds a community together, that lets us recognize one another as
> >> people rather than roles.                            - Anton Aylward
> >> victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html
> >> http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
> >> http://twitter.com/NoticeBored http://twitter.com/rslade
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