[funsec] Good, bad or indifferent?
TRaef at wewatchyourwebsite.com
Mon Jan 25 15:38:01 CST 2010
Right. Is this sounding like "big-brother"?
Thomas J. Raef
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From: Benjamin Brown [mailto:optikali at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Dave Dennis
Cc: Thomas Raef; funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] Good, bad or indifferent?
Ah but the caveat here is that it is a federal mandate brought down on
the ISPs leaving them without the option to back down. I am interested
in seeing just how the government will choose to enforce/enact such
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Dave Dennis <dmd at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Thomas Raef
> <TRaef at wewatchyourwebsite.com>wrote:
> > Please share your thoughts.
> > Thomas J. Raef
The usual mess of uninformed, speculative, hearsay and panic on /.
If the IsP is doing captive portal surfing and attempting to provide
detection/cleaning tools, they have a noble purpose, but could run into
interesting legal liability if the idiot home user managed to screw the
and make an unbootable system as a result. The logic in the captive
would possibly need to be bright enough to handle every besotted version
Windows from 95 to present, with all interop of old applications
or at least not a concern. Thats a tall ask. So once they start
heretofore "not broken" (as far as the home user is concerned) systems,
what ? Its easily provable the home user PC was infected due to
traffic/signature/activity logged, but thats not going to mean anything
home user if he/she can't boot up and play mafia wars.
I think fwiw this is usually where the conversation breaks down in the
this subject: To do the home fix the infected PC dance actually takes a
bit more than just malware removal: it takes behavior modification, it
browser locking down / ad network blocking, it takes somehow coming up
fix to years of really poor decisions on the part of the user, who
running an old, unpatched, botched registry full of half-uninstalled
spyware and various apps, any of which may or may not be able to
thorough clean/replace of some fairly important DLL.
So you get them to sign off on this, but their PC is mangled (to them)
afterwards, now what. Customer support beat down, loads of posts to
dumbass consumer sites like Consumerist, "My ISP Broke My Computer" and
crying youtubes later, and will the ISP have the balls to stick to their
Or will they back down and cave in?
I don't see how they can avoid caving in. Most users are monumentally
uninformed with regard to spyware / malware, their own risk averse
what even happened a week ago on the same PC.
+ Dave Dennis
+ Seattle, WA
+ Speakeasy, Inc.
+ dmd at speakeasy.net
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